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		<title>By: Murray Russett</title>
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		<description>Hey i love your blog, found it while randomly surving a couple days ago, will keep checking up.  Btw yesterday i was having troubles opening the site. Bye...</description>
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		<title>By: Johana Mapua</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Mar 2010 00:11:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: commercial factoring</title>
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		<dc:creator>commercial factoring</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Dec 2009 04:30:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Chris Schassler</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris Schassler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Apr 2009 02:47:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I certainly appreciate the generation of discussion, that is what we are trying to accomplish.  I understand and agree with your points.  It is a very sensitive area but so are many others that are already digital.  Let me give you another example, ACH (Automated Clearing House).  This wasn&#039;t a very attractive idea when it was first proposed.  I mean, health records are one thing but we are talking about people&#039;s money and financial records here.  There had to be incentive for it to work and now can you imagine a world without direct deposit or online banking?  Rules and regulations for this financial network are set by the Federal Reserve and by an organization called NACHA-The Electronic Payments Association.  I am not talking about legislation, I am talking about governance, monitoring, and policing of the system.  You aren&#039;t going to just pass some laws, write some checks, and walk away.  As you state, this is way too big for that.  It needs to be governed like ACH to ensure safety and integrity of the information.

Health records are very personal and they should be treated as such and I certainly don&#039;t think of them in a cavalier manner at all but I personnaly believe that they would be better protected in electronic format in a system rather than floating around Doctor&#039;s offices, labs, etc.  The initial regulation of privacy are there - HIPAA, The Privacy Act, etc. they just need to be interpreted into a digital implementation similar to 21 CFR Part 11 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Title_21_CFR_Part_11).  The subject matter experts will have to be the ones that work hand-in-hand with analysts, etc. to make this work.  The critical part to this program will be the initial stages of analysis and definition, which is really before any real serious technology needs to be touched.  There are many smaller, existing attempts and implementations that can be used as examples and would provide a great deal of information about the risks, etc.

There are certainly going to be those that will want access to the data, whether it is for some gain or just to see if they can.  This is no different than any other major system and, as you know, technical measures have been around for some time to help prevent unauthorized access.  Obviously, no system is completely secure, no system.  The key is to make it too difficult to be worth the trouble and that can certainly be accomplished.  Will there be mistakes, certainly, will there be breaches, possibly, but can you think of a system that doesn&#039;t have that risk.  All the more reason for a sound scope and direction as well as governance to ensure that if a security hole is found it is closed quickly.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I certainly appreciate the generation of discussion, that is what we are trying to accomplish.  I understand and agree with your points.  It is a very sensitive area but so are many others that are already digital.  Let me give you another example, ACH (Automated Clearing House).  This wasn&#8217;t a very attractive idea when it was first proposed.  I mean, health records are one thing but we are talking about people&#8217;s money and financial records here.  There had to be incentive for it to work and now can you imagine a world without direct deposit or online banking?  Rules and regulations for this financial network are set by the Federal Reserve and by an organization called NACHA-The Electronic Payments Association.  I am not talking about legislation, I am talking about governance, monitoring, and policing of the system.  You aren&#8217;t going to just pass some laws, write some checks, and walk away.  As you state, this is way too big for that.  It needs to be governed like ACH to ensure safety and integrity of the information.</p>
<p>Health records are very personal and they should be treated as such and I certainly don&#8217;t think of them in a cavalier manner at all but I personnaly believe that they would be better protected in electronic format in a system rather than floating around Doctor&#8217;s offices, labs, etc.  The initial regulation of privacy are there &#8211; HIPAA, The Privacy Act, etc. they just need to be interpreted into a digital implementation similar to 21 CFR Part 11 (<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Title_21_CFR_Part_11" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Title_21_CFR_Part_11</a>).  The subject matter experts will have to be the ones that work hand-in-hand with analysts, etc. to make this work.  The critical part to this program will be the initial stages of analysis and definition, which is really before any real serious technology needs to be touched.  There are many smaller, existing attempts and implementations that can be used as examples and would provide a great deal of information about the risks, etc.</p>
<p>There are certainly going to be those that will want access to the data, whether it is for some gain or just to see if they can.  This is no different than any other major system and, as you know, technical measures have been around for some time to help prevent unauthorized access.  Obviously, no system is completely secure, no system.  The key is to make it too difficult to be worth the trouble and that can certainly be accomplished.  Will there be mistakes, certainly, will there be breaches, possibly, but can you think of a system that doesn&#8217;t have that risk.  All the more reason for a sound scope and direction as well as governance to ensure that if a security hole is found it is closed quickly.</p>
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		<title>By: bill</title>
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		<dc:creator>bill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Mar 2009 14:53:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I apologize for the &quot;cynicism&quot; - it&#039;s intended to generate discussion.  However, I still believe we have to view any kind of ubiquitous personal information system with considerable caution.  Not only that, it really becomes our responsibility to protect the public.  Such a system is unprecedented.  I agree that it eventually be done, but it will come in stages, like the Transcontinental Railroad 140 years ago, and putting men on the moon, 40 years ago.  Both of those projects had enormous technical challenges as well. Many said they would fail.    

What checks can we design and build into the system at each stage of development?  We have to make sure safeguards are added to protect privacy and security, as well as integrity of the information.  All good intentions aside, legislation cannot really protect us.  It is still up to analysts, systems designers, and integrators to understand both the social impact and technical challenges, as well as maintain constant vigilance to protect the most sensitive of information. We of all people understand how systems can be violated technically, either by accident or intention. We cannot be cavalier in applying technology as if personal medical history are merely abstract data points and structured content.  So I&#039;m proposing a higher degree of project ownership. 

We don&#039;t have any margin in this case of underestimating the complexity and difficulty of bringing this to success.  However, you may be correct in your optimism.  Just as the Apollo program brought huge collateral benefits to the U.S., perhaps larger economic benefits beyond the electronic health records system itself are in the offing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I apologize for the &#8220;cynicism&#8221; &#8211; it&#8217;s intended to generate discussion.  However, I still believe we have to view any kind of ubiquitous personal information system with considerable caution.  Not only that, it really becomes our responsibility to protect the public.  Such a system is unprecedented.  I agree that it eventually be done, but it will come in stages, like the Transcontinental Railroad 140 years ago, and putting men on the moon, 40 years ago.  Both of those projects had enormous technical challenges as well. Many said they would fail.    </p>
<p>What checks can we design and build into the system at each stage of development?  We have to make sure safeguards are added to protect privacy and security, as well as integrity of the information.  All good intentions aside, legislation cannot really protect us.  It is still up to analysts, systems designers, and integrators to understand both the social impact and technical challenges, as well as maintain constant vigilance to protect the most sensitive of information. We of all people understand how systems can be violated technically, either by accident or intention. We cannot be cavalier in applying technology as if personal medical history are merely abstract data points and structured content.  So I&#8217;m proposing a higher degree of project ownership. </p>
<p>We don&#8217;t have any margin in this case of underestimating the complexity and difficulty of bringing this to success.  However, you may be correct in your optimism.  Just as the Apollo program brought huge collateral benefits to the U.S., perhaps larger economic benefits beyond the electronic health records system itself are in the offing.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Schassler</title>
		<link>http://www.armedia.com/blog/2009/03/electronic-health-records-possible-or-not/comment-page-1/#comment-4</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris Schassler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Mar 2009 15:01:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The simple answer is yes...Do I believe it will be easy?  Of course not. But if it means potential improvement in our overall health and a less costly system isn&#039;t it worth it?  Do you really believe that there isn&#039;t more of these failures and fraud now?  Do you really think our current system is fair to all?  Maybe it is time to refocus the direction of your curmudgeoness and make sure it is pointed in the right direction. If you read carefully I mention that this can&#039;t be a single huge project and be expected to succeed.  But, if it is done in phases with initial support in the right places individual successes can be achieved and people will be more apt to get behind and support it.

I understand where you are coming from, it is obviously a sensitive subject and maybe I am too much of an idealist but I believe there is a lot to gain. Plus, it is going to happen regardless of what you or I think so we may as well try and make sure it is done right.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The simple answer is yes&#8230;Do I believe it will be easy?  Of course not. But if it means potential improvement in our overall health and a less costly system isn&#8217;t it worth it?  Do you really believe that there isn&#8217;t more of these failures and fraud now?  Do you really think our current system is fair to all?  Maybe it is time to refocus the direction of your curmudgeoness and make sure it is pointed in the right direction. If you read carefully I mention that this can&#8217;t be a single huge project and be expected to succeed.  But, if it is done in phases with initial support in the right places individual successes can be achieved and people will be more apt to get behind and support it.</p>
<p>I understand where you are coming from, it is obviously a sensitive subject and maybe I am too much of an idealist but I believe there is a lot to gain. Plus, it is going to happen regardless of what you or I think so we may as well try and make sure it is done right.</p>
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		<title>By: bill</title>
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		<dc:creator>bill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Mar 2009 14:21:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry to be a curmudgeon - not.  There are no technical issues, only people issues.  Sure it&#039;s possible, but I don&#039;t think success is likely, not because of technical issues but because of political, fiscal, and social issues. But maybe I am too optimistic about the erudition of the American taxpayer in 2009. 

The Apollo program, in 2005 dollars, cost $135 billion, and took about 10 years, 500k employees and contractors in NASA and about 20,000 private suppliers.  The U.S. landed a man on the moon in the middle of the Vietnam War and the Civil Rights Movement, and the rest of the social upheaval of the 60&#039;s. I was there.  Kennedy set the goal, and Johnson and Nixon carried it out, but only because the citizens of the U.S. thought it was a worthy goal and paid for it with their taxes.  That was 40 years ago this coming July. Velcro and Corningware, plastics, transistors, lasers, microwaves, fuel cells, even hydroponics and cardiac conditioning all fell out as byproducts, and changed lives in remarkable ways.    

Do you really believe a program as personally invasive as an ubiquitous national health database - your innoculations, your gene markers, disease predispositions, surgeries, allergies, the number of flu vaccines you&#039;ve taken, including a record of your travels before and after you took the flu shot so the CDC can track it, etc., that tells all to your employer, your doctor, and your insurance carrier, that is free of failure and fraud, that is fair to all, and that facilitates the epoch of glorious, radiant health will be a good thing that taxpayers will rejoice over, much less be remotely desireable, much, much less be fiscally and technically feasible?  
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry to be a curmudgeon &#8211; not.  There are no technical issues, only people issues.  Sure it&#8217;s possible, but I don&#8217;t think success is likely, not because of technical issues but because of political, fiscal, and social issues. But maybe I am too optimistic about the erudition of the American taxpayer in 2009. </p>
<p>The Apollo program, in 2005 dollars, cost $135 billion, and took about 10 years, 500k employees and contractors in NASA and about 20,000 private suppliers.  The U.S. landed a man on the moon in the middle of the Vietnam War and the Civil Rights Movement, and the rest of the social upheaval of the 60&#8242;s. I was there.  Kennedy set the goal, and Johnson and Nixon carried it out, but only because the citizens of the U.S. thought it was a worthy goal and paid for it with their taxes.  That was 40 years ago this coming July. Velcro and Corningware, plastics, transistors, lasers, microwaves, fuel cells, even hydroponics and cardiac conditioning all fell out as byproducts, and changed lives in remarkable ways.    </p>
<p>Do you really believe a program as personally invasive as an ubiquitous national health database &#8211; your innoculations, your gene markers, disease predispositions, surgeries, allergies, the number of flu vaccines you&#8217;ve taken, including a record of your travels before and after you took the flu shot so the CDC can track it, etc., that tells all to your employer, your doctor, and your insurance carrier, that is free of failure and fraud, that is fair to all, and that facilitates the epoch of glorious, radiant health will be a good thing that taxpayers will rejoice over, much less be remotely desireable, much, much less be fiscally and technically feasible?</p>
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